Sopranos Ending? Wtf?
June 10th, 2007Ok, that was completely dumb.
If John from Cincinnati is crap, I’m cancelling my HBO immediately.
UPDATE: “John from Cincinnati” was a giant piece of crap!
I was pissed about Deadwood ending, and hopeful that maybe “John” would be good because supposedly the writer wanted to put Deadwood down and work on John or something, but man was that a bad decision. With no Deadwood, and now this ass ending with the Sopranos, HBO is pretty stinking worthless. Entourage is funny, but not worth paying HBO any more dimes over.
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June 10th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
This ending SUCKED BIG TIME
June 10th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
And it is…cancel tomorrow.
June 10th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
the most brilliant ending I’ve ever seen, for any series. As we realize that Meadow and Anthony have been sucked into the family business, the family breaks bread in an all American diner. It plays with our latent desires to see Tony punished for his crimes, but as the jukebox spits out nostalgia and creates a sense of complacency and cultural familiarity, we realize the ultimate point of “The Sopranos:” that our desire to see retribution and punishment comes not from our perceptions of Tony as a moral being, but from our projection of American culture’s darkest nebulus upon his character. Hegel would be proud.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Why doesnt everyone get it? Tony was whacked!!!!!!! Didnt any one else notice the strange italian man that walked in before AJ? Remember the first episode when Bobby and Tony were fishing? Bobby asked Tony what it would be like to be shot and if you hear anything. Remember in the last episode when Tony was in the bedroom at the safe house, and then it cut to the scene again with Bobby and Tony fishing. The weird italian guy went to the bathroom (or so it seemed) and than killed Tony, it just went black and silent. Tony never heard it coming. I think butchy had Tony killed because he killed Phil infront of his family, and butchy was probably afraid of Tony after he shot Silvio, and Bobby. Because if Silvio wakes up, he is gonna want payback, remember that.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
I hope they all got wacked!!! What a crappy show it has turned into since they killed off Big Pussy. What was that….. about 15 years ago? That’s how long they dragged this piece of crap out!! I’m glas it;’s over and I would have loved to see the look on all of their faces as they all saw the end coming.
Too bad they made another “artistic” decision not to show anything.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
That was a buncha bullshit…. They are gonna do an X-Files and come out with a movie or a suprise “real”last season or some collectors editing DVD with the 3 possible endings. You have to ask yourself this:
If you were HBO and had a huge hit like the Sopranos, wouldn’t you milk it for for more? “Don’t Stop Believing” something is in the works. Believe that.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:20 pm
it’s OK for Tony not to “hear it coming”. Not OK for all us viewers. It would have been OK to just hear gunshots while Meadow was parking her car.
We’ve been cheated.
The door was left open for future movie (s). It’s all about $$$$$.
TOTAL BS ending !!!
June 10th, 2007 at 11:22 pm
I agree with James — it was pretty obvious that Tony got whacked. The last scene was a series of paired shots that showed Tony’s face looking up and then what he saw (various people coming in etc.) The last shot was Tony’s face and then the black screen was what he saw (death). Nevertheless, I thought it was a cheap shot and definitely not up to the creative standards of the rest of the series. There was some good stuff, though –the whole episode was full of retro references to other “mob” movies and other eras (the guys in the garage looked like Capone gangster; one even had a fedora hat) and the guy going into the bathroom was right out of The Godfather.
Having said that, I was disappointed.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
OOPS!! One more thing. I am soooooo glad don’t have to see “Tony” James Gandolfini try to chew and breathe at the same time. The man looked and sounded like he was straining and fending off a heart attack everytime he ate a cannoli. UGH. I know I didn’t have to watch this thing every week, but it was like a train wreck, you found yourself watching even when you didn’t want to.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
If you look over the past 4 years the shows written by David Chase or co-written by him have all been the weakest. I knew we were in trouble when I saw he wrote and directed this. He thinks he’s ‘artistic’ but is in reality a talentless coward. I’m going to cancel HBO and I hope many others do as well. They allowed this hack to ruin the series and payback’s a bitch.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
That show sucked. All season they went off on tangents. I don’t want to make up my own ending. If I did, I wouldn’t have watched, I would’ve just spent the last seven years reading the first half of books. Obviously, they brought the show to a point where you can speculate that curious looking individuals may have killed him. Of course, this show has opened and abandoned so many plots and subplots that concluding on any ending is impossible. This is not a compliment to the writers. I will find closure only in the notion that I am glad I will no longer loyally be watching the handiwork of any writer who thinks I would appreciate this type of ending.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
By the way, John From Cincinnati is a huge piece of shit.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
I don’t buy the “Tony got Whacked” and that’s why it all went black. It seemed like the scene was meant to build tension with the people coming in or the people sitting in the diner, just for the sake of building tension, then leaving it up to the viewer to decide if they went on or got shot.
It was a dumb ending to a great show. My HBO is as good as cancelled.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
I believe what we just watched was David Chase making fun of us all — He showed his contempt for his audience and the suckers we were for ever thinking this series would amount to anything even after going steadily downhill for so long. The last show was total masterbation, nothing more, nothing less. I agree we should all cancel HBO to have the last laugh
June 10th, 2007 at 11:39 pm
David Chase said there is not going to be a movie. He said that he was thinking about doing a movie, but the this last episode tied everything up. His ideas for the movie were all in the last season. Sorry guys.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:39 pm
Say it ain’t so!! I think James has the best theory as to why it ended that way but by leaving it open they way they did anything is fair game. The clues at the end were too obvious and the series was always better than that. So I choose to believe nothing happened and eventually it will pick up where it left off. I think the flashback to Tony and Bobby was something Tony thought of while reflecting about Bobby and hoping one of his guys didn’t hear it coming as reflected on his life rather than a prelude to what was to come. His look at the end wasn’t one necessarily of fear. Could’ve been looking up to notice Meadow coming in. The guy going to the bathroom was a clue and the two black guys coming in were another obvious clue since two black guys were involved trying to kill Tony the first time he was attacked when Uncle Junior ordered the hit. So how many guys were there to do it? That’s the only flaw I see in James theory. Plus I want to believe that there’s more to come.
The cat was the cheesiest part of the finale episode. Where did they steal that from Shrek? Again, we’ve come to expect better than that from David Chase. Paulie rocked and went out on a high note but the stupid digitally animated cat was the only down note.
Not everyone is gonna be happy. Whaddya want a Whitman’s Sampler??
June 10th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
Excellent points, Jay and James. However, the “strange Italian man” was actually played by an actor with an Arabic name. He was not Italian, he was one of the people that AJ wanted to go to war against and was perhaps a friend of the two that Tony turned in to the FBI. The ending was brilliant, and had me shouting, because indeed the family kinks seemed to have been ironed out. Tony was considerate towards Carmela, touched AJ’s hand affectionately, and chose nostalgic music for their night in a place reminiscent of the days before he was the head of the family — or where he may have eaten more regularly if he had chosen another path in life. The boyscouts, the romantic couple, the everyday-ness of the ambience, and the unity of the family — all of these are traditional emotional set-ups for the beginning of a drama and also the end of the classic drama. Why would the program end in black and silence without the audience knowing what actually happened? Do we need to know? We have seen them restored to one another, even if only for a brief shining moment. If they live, the vortex of dramatic intrigue continues; if Tony dies (whether from a gunshot, a suicide bomber in the restroom, or from the bad food at the diner), the moment of unity is made more poignant and then obscured by the grief and practical scrabbling for survival. We don’t need to know. Now, all possibilities exist and all paths are open.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
The black guys were there because they were hungry. The italian guy though was directly noticed Tony sitting there. He also looked very nervouse, why else would he keep turning his head to look at Tony? He came in and sits down, didnt order anything, then goes to the bathroom? That didnt make sense to me. He seemed way to suspicious, plus he was itlaian. I think he was sent from Butchy.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
The flash scenes to bobby in the boat were nothing at all to the plot. Just like Pauly seeing Big Pussy a few episodes ago were nothing.
It was a whole bunch of nothing and HBO got your money. That about sums it up. David Chase is laughing all the way to the bank.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
WOOOOWWWW!!!! this ending was worthless…. i seriously think that the writer of this should should go committ suicide. they make you assume he was shot?? shit this is america we wanna see him shot, lol speculations aside if there is not season 7 then someone has some explaning to do!! it reminds me of a movie i watch every month a quote “in sixty seconds i wanna see money or i wanna see blood, lol gotta love be cool but i guess what im sayin is im callin hbo and tellin them they should refund everyone who watched that show from the get go!! this is bsss!!! hahahaha wtf….
June 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
I would have described the final moments of the show as artistic if Tony took a bullet to the head. There was a great build up and then nothing. This episode was nothing more than the equivalent of television blueballs. I would have described it as triumphant if the gunman also would have whacked that whimpering annoyance of a son and Tony’s pretentious moneygrubbing wife. Instead I can’t even describe the final moments as an ending. In hindsight, I would have preferred spending an hour watching Sesame Street trying to guess the letter and number of the day. OR EVEN WATCHING JOHNNY CAKES pound some joker from an antique store in New Hampshire.
Just to show how bad the ending was, I DVRed the show and actually thought for a moment that my box mistakenly stopped recording. I really couldn’t fathom that the final moments would be that poor.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
This is why boxing sucks. Split decisions. This is why baseball doesn’t permit ties. I’m more mixed by the minute. I guess part of me wants to say David Chase is brilliant because he left it open then again I’m convinced it’s the biggest copout in history. If the black guys were there to just eat…who’s to say the italian guy wasn’t there to take a dump? Again, it was too obvious for the Sopranos. This series was above obvious clues. That’s what made it so good.
I wanna believe Tony finished his meal and returned to Vegas to bang Chrissy’s ol’ girlfriend. That’s my happy ending.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
The second to last episode was 100x better than the final one. I thought there was something wrong with my DVR when it went to black. It did build tension, but it would have been nice to have some resolution after all of these years. I really think all in all the finale blew.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:00 am
That was a bunch of bullshit
June 11th, 2007 at 12:01 am
I think Ellen is David Chase trying to defend what might very well be the worst ever hour of TV period. We all know HBO ripped us off and we’re going to cancel HBO — Make ‘em pay
June 11th, 2007 at 12:01 am
This was a repeat I saw earlier. I’m not Psychic or clairvoyant, but this sure was not the first time it was aired. I saw it on HBO a few days ago on Demand.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:01 am
I think Tony Soprano himself would agree with Ricky on the ending. ha. Most people are doing to their remotes what Tony was doing to that ketchup bottle.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:04 am
Yeah you know David Chase and some of the Sopranos crew are cruising the RSS google alert and blog feeds through technorati.
No one could actually think that was a good ending, and if they do, they’re just lying to themselves. If you want to believe the black screen was tony getting wacked, you’re just using your own imagination because nothing was spilled out. What happened was, THE SCREEN WENT BLACK.
It means nothing.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:04 am
Better ending would’ve been after Tony made piece with Junior. Then off into the sunset. That or Tony getting curious and pulling the toupee off Sil in the hospital
June 11th, 2007 at 12:07 am
Who produced the kitty cat the same people who Norbit and the Nutty Professor? NIce touch Chase. Why not just add a wookie next time? Was the cat supposed to be Christopher or was the cat just a junkie? I don’t get it. Maybe it was a lost prop from the movie CLEAVER.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:08 am
How can we rule out the possibility that the italian guy came out of the bathroom wearing a clown suit and made AJ a balloon animal. It is also possible that Meadow was meeting the two black guys for a game of Scrabble. The only thing we know for sure is that the onion rings looked pretty tasty.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:11 am
Hahahha– that’s an awesome one Archie!
June 11th, 2007 at 12:18 am
I agree with the Tony beeing wacked theory. Total black out! It was to obvious what was going on at that diner. The guys goes to the bathroom, that was so Vito Corleone and the camera pointing on these various guys that looked like dressed up hitman. But did anyone ever think that this was Pauly’s doing. Did anybody see his face when he walked out the door after he talked to Tony. It was like he was saying “thats it” Think about that….. Who would be in his way now. Everybody else is dead or almost dead. There is no resistance left. So lets finish of Tony and family (maybe not Meadow) and all will be Pauly’s.
He acted strange a times and he did not seem to happy with Tony anymore. That was his chance and he took it….in my opinion. Pauly is the Boss now.
Another thing. I don’t believe it was the end. That was a teaser!
And guys…….I just canceled HBO. No Rome, No Deadwood, and now no Sopranos. HBO isn’t worth the money anymore. Unless they are coming back with something better then Bill Maher, John from Cincinnati or Entourage, they will not see me again………Everything that had some value or was any good got canceled premature or has ended. HBO making bad decisions these days. Wonder when they figure that out?
Until then it sucks to be HBO
June 11th, 2007 at 12:27 am
I would have liked to see Junior kill Tony and his whole mental problems were all a big trick and the last scene would have been him over Tony saying I finally got you…..just makes you think..the whole Tony getting killed theory definitely makes sense but in my heart i don’t want to believe thats how it really ended.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:37 am
Point being the show is dead and gone and there is no other ending. Exactly what you saw is all that happened. It is a friggin Soap Opera after all. Like ONE LIFE TO LIVE and GENERAL HOSPITAL. You are all (me included) like a bunch of cackling housewives!!!!
I agree with the Arab guy coming out of the bathroom making the balloons but not Meadow meeting the two blacks guys for scrabble. The two black guys stop by the table to see if Meadow will come back for a second night of fun as she gave them both terrific head the day b4.
Either way while the show is not what is was it was still the only TV besides South Park and King of the Hill that I watch and it was still pretty good. Oh and I loved the Cat!!!.
Deadwood was friggin fantastic. That is a show I sorely miss. I don’t think I will miss the Sopranos as I did not even remember to watch it. I Tivo it of course as that is the only way I watch anything lately…. Time is a commodity,,,,,,,,
June 11th, 2007 at 12:40 am
Those are all good points; however, how come no one has considered that those guys in the diner were all FBI. Early in the episode it was revealed that Tony would be indicted and that “Carlo” had turned. Why then is it not possible that Tony was about to be arrested infront of his whole family, except his “lawyer daughter”. Who I should mention; also, alluded earlier that she hated to see “Italians” being mistreated by the FBI. Perhaps, she missed it cause she can’t park.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:42 am
For the record, I thought the ending sucked, and I am almost disappointed to be participating in any dialogue because David Chase and the Sopranos do not deserve it.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:44 am
I just saw all the camera setups and looking at people as Tony being completely paranoid and can’t really enjoy a dinner with his family. You always have to look over your shoulder, etc.
June 11th, 2007 at 12:48 am
Honestly, David Chase has always said the viewer was only “peeking” into this world.
You ever think that maybe it was us that got whacked?
Think about it…99 percent of people thought their cable went out…
This is what I think honestly, now that I look back…Watch the episode again and notice the subtleties…Because that’s what this show was all about
June 11th, 2007 at 1:05 am
Tony was killed in the diner. Maybe by Paulie, maybe by Butchy, maybe by the Arabs, we’ll never know. Maybe he was killed by one of the other New York families that were waiting for the Phil/Tony war to run its course, but he is dead, and meadow and AJ and Carmella are fine, but shocked. The nervous Italian guy was not the trigger man, the black guys did it, the Italian guy was the spotter who went into the bathroom to let the black guys know that the time was right to do the job. The black guys were killed shortly after they did the job. It probably wasn’t Paulie, though, he is a follower, not a leader, Patsy might make a better suspect, or Bennie. We will never know.
June 11th, 2007 at 1:06 am
Some will say it’s brilliant, but it’s a copout. Even the great ‘Godfather’ showed the brutality and tension when someone became a ‘mark’. The sopranos was nothing but a continuation of that kind of storytelling; however, with all these wonderfully edited scenes what should have happened was a full ending of Tonys final moment getting gunned down (in slow motion). Some would have called that unoriginal, but come on, the show itself wasn’t original. As viewers we deserved a better ending. There was no ‘i wonder what really happened’ after each of the killings was there? Why should the series go so far, just to cop out at the end? Brilliant? Nay, total copout.
June 11th, 2007 at 1:21 am
I likes when the boy dutied in the shower. poing bast. lis lam
June 11th, 2007 at 1:30 am
I’m going to go against the grain at this site and say that I liked the ending. How often have they given us what we expected? By not pandering to our expectations, Chase managed to pull things together to a kind of a steady state and then stop at some kind of “present” moment - and as in real life, we don’t know what happens next. And yes, he had a little joke at our expense (I also wondered if there was something wrong with my cable, for a moment), but once I saw what he’d done I just laughed. I would have been disappointed if they had just finished it off with one of the possible futures, and had one of the diner folk whack Tony - now we can create our own Soprano futures.
June 11th, 2007 at 1:48 am
You can say whatever you want but the bottom line is that except for the Phil whack job, the show didn’t entertain. Chase jerked us all off and some of you are stupid enough to laugh at his joke while he bilks you out of your final anticipated moment of excitement.
June 11th, 2007 at 2:50 am
from some internet sites i’ve found out that the “italian” actor is credited with playing Nikki Leotardo…phil’s nephew…..the black guys shot at tony during season 3. the truck driver’s brother was killed by christopher in season 2, and the boy scouts were the kids in the train store when bobby was killed….which puts 4 different scenarios in play in which tony could have got whacked……the “do you think you hear it coming?” revisit makes this “tony got it” scenerio make sense, but at the same time…i’d rather be entertained than have to do homework……
June 11th, 2007 at 4:19 am
At least big love is still around. As soon as they cancel that, I am done with HBO. Everything else they have sux.
June 11th, 2007 at 8:45 am
From a girl’s point of view, after so many years with a show, viewers want CLOSURE. Leaving it up to us to decide if they all lived happily ever after or if Tony was shot in front of his entire family is bullshit. It is the job of the writer’s and producer’s to entertain us, not make us work for it. THIS so-called “finale” WAS LIKE MASTURBATION WITHOUT AN ORGASM.
June 11th, 2007 at 9:36 am
well i got 2 words for hbo PYRAMID SCHEME lol this seems to be the case. im sure some kinda dvd or documentary will spill the beans but u bet ur ass you are going to PAY out the rear end for it….
June 11th, 2007 at 11:37 am
“from some internet sites i’ve found out that the “italian” actor is credited with playing Nikki Leotardo…phil’s nephew…..the black guys shot at tony during season 3. the truck driver’s brother was killed by christopher in season 2, and the boy scouts were the kids in the train store when bobby was killed….which puts 4 different scenarios in play in which tony could have got whacked……”
No, you’re reading the same bullshit that everyone else is. That actor is credited as “man in jacket” not “nikki leotardo.” Those aren’t the same guys that shot at Tony, and someone’s just making all this shit up.
June 11th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
I changed my mind on my earlier thoughts. I think the the show ended meaning that Tony’s life just goes on as normal. All the “shady” characters in the show did not mean anything except for the fact that Tony has to live the rest of his life watching over his shoulder in an uneasy fashion. His kids continue to disapoint, and his wife continues to over look Tony’s cheating and lieing in exchange for financing her building projects. Tony lives on!!!!
June 12th, 2007 at 5:52 am
The ending didn’t suck, it’s just that a lot of you people are monumentally thick headed, ignorant and have the attention span of a lighting rod. All of you wanted the typical “gangster ending” and David Chase did the right thing, the artistically & tasteful thing. I know most don’t like to think but this ending allowed something so frowned upon in this day in age, imagination. Make your own ending, infer what you will from the circumstances you were left with. Did Tony get killed for whacking Phil after the supposed “cease fire”, who knows? Did he finish those onion rings only to walk out to patiently waiting FBI agents who obviously found a new sense of motivation on account of someone “flipping”? You just don’t know, and you probably never will……sheer brilliance. Keep kicking and screaming you intellectual 6 year olds!!!
June 12th, 2007 at 9:43 am
damnnn larry lets just not call it an ending then cuz there was no ending it was the end of the show maybe but we dont know what happened so it aint an ending … imagination is great ive dreamed up 300 endings!!! maybe i shoulda casted for director of the show cuz i would have ended it one of those ways lol hollaa
June 12th, 2007 at 10:50 am
just as dumb as the seinfeld ending, the funny part is my wife works for directv and over 15-20% of their calls yesturday were to cancel hbo. We didn’t allwant a shoot out or for everyone to die but some kind of closure thats all. there was nothing artistic about it, i like the comparison television blue balls… that’s exactly what it was.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Here’s an alternate theory. It’s not mine, but I thought it was interesting so I’ll pass it on. The audience got whacked. Tony once said, you’ll never see it coming. You won’t hear it. And that’s exactly what happened. It wasn’t Tony’s point of view that went black - it was ours.
I’m on the fence, I can’t decide if the show ended in the best or worst possible way. But I was intrigued by that theory.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:36 am
I didn’t like the ending at first. That said… I kinda see now that people can make up there own endings in their own minds, BUT, I am not in the majority and more people will always say it was the worst ending to a show ever. When you have something as successful as this show and it is so deep rooted, the ending we all saw will not hold its own to the the shows legendary legacy. I don’t know how to react now because after reading all the theories above, I realize that everyone now has there own version of how and what happens to Tony.
The show has attempted to be so great and go beyond what any television show has ever attemtpted to be… this has been its flaw. Its “leave it to your imagination” ending is going to be looked at for all time as worthless and pointless by many because in a world with so much tension, people want to know whats going to happen next… not knowing whats going to happen can lead to fear or an unstable mindset. We already don’t have a clue about a lot in life… this just adds to that and some more. Who knows what happens to Tony, I’m just glad its over and I don’t have to think about this show anymore.
-after the 3rd season, Tony Soprano’s character got wrapped up in all the hype, and it did not deliver after that, just like this ending…
June 14th, 2007 at 5:57 am
I loved the ending… its too bad people cant see the value in it… it was a hack(a social hack)
not becuz it blacked out and stopped but cuz there was alot leading up to that point… lots of clues on how it ended… tony could have been whacked yes… ~black screen~
in my version Tony gets away and goes to Italy and gets whacked by feario after trying to work with that one mafiosa chick he goes for some cannoli and feario sees him and walks up behind him and pop…. pauly is left to deal with the phil tony war… and instead takes phils side and phil sees that as weakness and treachery… disloyalty and he gets popped.
then the cat… he becomes sils capo after sil recovers and sil whacks phil and retires to some remote Caribbean island.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
I hated the ending AT FIRST. But then I watched it again (thanks TIVO), and I thought about the clues. I think the onion rings were holy communion. I mean, nobody eats onion rings whole except big guys..not Carm. It was “the Last Supper.” They guy wore a “Members Only” jacket, and the episode where Jr. shot Tony was “Members Only.” The boat scene where Bobby and Tony talk about it all going black. Chase says there was definitely an ending if you looked at the clues. I think Tony is dead. I also think that it would have been too raw to show Tony breathing his last during the final minutes…we have come to “like” him, after all. This way we have time to get past the denial stage. Now, what I DO wonder is who whacked him. Perhaps Paulie (who has been acting wierd and was not above going after the NY family earlier) and perhaps NY. Or, perhaps even a middle eastern component, suicide bomber, etc. The other mystery is how many of the family went with him. But Tony is gone.