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		<title>By: The Gigcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Riot and Civil War&#8230; Gigcast 87</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-50272</link>
		<author>The Gigcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Riot and Civil War&#8230; Gigcast 87</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 02:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-50272</guid>
		<description>[...] Yirmumah goes on hiatus, &#8217;cause Hero By Night is busy (i.e. in stores)! [HBN Blog] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Yirmumah goes on hiatus, &#8217;cause Hero By Night is busy (i.e. in stores)! [HBN Blog] [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-13084</link>
		<author>Aidan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-13084</guid>
		<description>I guess we were all wrong about the 90/10 thing.  I just found this on Drunk Duck:

Q: What's this we hear about Platinum Studios merchandising my comics and 10% royalty share or something...?

A: That 90/10 split mentioned recently was a misquote that has nothing AT ALL to do with comics. We at some point in the not too distant future plan to enable creators to make some money on the Duck. It's all in the very early design phase. No percentages have been worked out. None. It will probably be variable depending on what it's for, how complicated the deal was to make, and how much profit is even there for us to share. Any number right now is purely speculative. And before we would do anything with YOUR comic we would need your permission. It will be purely voluntary. We will be approaching this gradually and with lots of feedback and dialog with the creators on DrunkDuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we were all wrong about the 90/10 thing.  I just found this on Drunk Duck:</p>
<p>Q: What&#8217;s this we hear about Platinum Studios merchandising my comics and 10% royalty share or something&#8230;?</p>
<p>A: That 90/10 split mentioned recently was a misquote that has nothing AT ALL to do with comics. We at some point in the not too distant future plan to enable creators to make some money on the Duck. It&#8217;s all in the very early design phase. No percentages have been worked out. None. It will probably be variable depending on what it&#8217;s for, how complicated the deal was to make, and how much profit is even there for us to share. Any number right now is purely speculative. And before we would do anything with YOUR comic we would need your permission. It will be purely voluntary. We will be approaching this gradually and with lots of feedback and dialog with the creators on DrunkDuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-13017</link>
		<author>Gordon</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-13017</guid>
		<description>Aidan, you'd get 10% of PLATINUM'S gross, not 10% of the retailer's gross, so your "10%" is really more like 2.5%: 10% of 50% (distributor's cut) of 50% (retailer's cut), or 50¢.

Selling it through your own site, you spend $7 for smaller runs of shirts and sell them for $20 (which is too expensive, but nevermind) and make $13, all yours.

Is being affiliated with Platinum going to get you 26 times as many T-shirt sales? Maybe. But I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aidan, you&#8217;d get 10% of PLATINUM&#8217;S gross, not 10% of the retailer&#8217;s gross, so your &#8220;10%&#8221; is really more like 2.5%: 10% of 50% (distributor&#8217;s cut) of 50% (retailer&#8217;s cut), or 50¢.</p>
<p>Selling it through your own site, you spend $7 for smaller runs of shirts and sell them for $20 (which is too expensive, but nevermind) and make $13, all yours.</p>
<p>Is being affiliated with Platinum going to get you 26 times as many T-shirt sales? Maybe. But I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12972</link>
		<author>Aidan</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12972</guid>
		<description>I think what Steve has hit on here is a pretty important fact:  If you go back and read the article, Rosenberg says 10% of gross and I think he's saying it in reference to merchandising alone.  Now, I'm really no marketing guru, but 10% of the price that each customer pays at the register (either virtual or real-world) doesn't sound like all that bad of a deal to me.  Somebody pays $20 for a t-shirt and I get $2?  Cool.  Buy a $10 action figure and I get a dollar?  Nice.  Again, I'm not involved in merchandising in any way, but does that seem pretty good to anyone but me?  Does anybody know what % McFarlane gets for a Spawn figure or Liefeld got for a Youngblood figure?  I'm honestly asking, because I have no clue, but I would guess it was less than or around 10%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Steve has hit on here is a pretty important fact:  If you go back and read the article, Rosenberg says 10% of gross and I think he&#8217;s saying it in reference to merchandising alone.  Now, I&#8217;m really no marketing guru, but 10% of the price that each customer pays at the register (either virtual or real-world) doesn&#8217;t sound like all that bad of a deal to me.  Somebody pays $20 for a t-shirt and I get $2?  Cool.  Buy a $10 action figure and I get a dollar?  Nice.  Again, I&#8217;m not involved in merchandising in any way, but does that seem pretty good to anyone but me?  Does anybody know what % McFarlane gets for a Spawn figure or Liefeld got for a Youngblood figure?  I&#8217;m honestly asking, because I have no clue, but I would guess it was less than or around 10%.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12954</link>
		<author>steve</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12954</guid>
		<description>Fooled? Here's some money. Here's some more money. Here's the potential for money on top of that. Jokes on you!

The fuh.

Scott Kurtz suffers from a common problem. People who accomplish anything think they know best for everyone else. Afterall, it worked for them right? What worked for you? Nothing? Well I guess we know who's right. We should all be building the latest greatest operating system so we can all be just like Bill Gates. Scott would have all succeed or fail by his one trick mentality. And right now the succeed pool is very, very shallow.

The fact is Scott Kurtz isn't a visionary. He doesn't understand the limitations imposed on the web comic world as it stands, and can only think very one dimensionally. The problem is, he's another guy who got a lucky break, and unfortunately that gives him room to spread his mental disease. For gods sake he makes D&#38;D jokes and bathroom humor. None of this shit is even original. The same mainstream media problems that wrote a crappy article for platinum studios granted him an eisner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fooled? Here&#8217;s some money. Here&#8217;s some more money. Here&#8217;s the potential for money on top of that. Jokes on you!</p>
<p>The fuh.</p>
<p>Scott Kurtz suffers from a common problem. People who accomplish anything think they know best for everyone else. Afterall, it worked for them right? What worked for you? Nothing? Well I guess we know who&#8217;s right. We should all be building the latest greatest operating system so we can all be just like Bill Gates. Scott would have all succeed or fail by his one trick mentality. And right now the succeed pool is very, very shallow.</p>
<p>The fact is Scott Kurtz isn&#8217;t a visionary. He doesn&#8217;t understand the limitations imposed on the web comic world as it stands, and can only think very one dimensionally. The problem is, he&#8217;s another guy who got a lucky break, and unfortunately that gives him room to spread his mental disease. For gods sake he makes D&amp;D jokes and bathroom humor. None of this shit is even original. The same mainstream media problems that wrote a crappy article for platinum studios granted him an eisner.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12953</link>
		<author>DJ</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12953</guid>
		<description>Or they think I've been fooled into something, or I was tricked into signing something-- or that I was "discovered" by Platinum. It's sad. Shit, I've been drawing comics for some time now and I've worked with some pretty big name things.

Also, the tyrade someone threw over not getting the ad money from the sites? WAH. Other freehosts dont split their ad revenue with their members, right??? I cant think of any. ComicGenesis doesn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or they think I&#8217;ve been fooled into something, or I was tricked into signing something&#8211; or that I was &#8220;discovered&#8221; by Platinum. It&#8217;s sad. Shit, I&#8217;ve been drawing comics for some time now and I&#8217;ve worked with some pretty big name things.</p>
<p>Also, the tyrade someone threw over not getting the ad money from the sites? WAH. Other freehosts dont split their ad revenue with their members, right??? I cant think of any. ComicGenesis doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12952</link>
		<author>steve</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12952</guid>
		<description>Moving past all of the discussion that's already been had over the 90/10 split, I'd like to point out that a 10% profit isn't always a bad thing. Especially if they pioneer things like mobile content distribution for you. Usually that sorta stuff takes at least an initial 50% and gives it right to the phone provider. 
That leaves 40% to platinum studios and 10% to the creator, which isn't that horrible, considering the expenses that building this empire will require.

I think it's funny that DJ is actually saying how happy he is with his arrangement, and Scott Kurtz is so offender by that idea. That somebody could succeed by an avenue he didn't pursue. Scott is so angry by this is blows my mind. DJ Happy? It MUST be a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving past all of the discussion that&#8217;s already been had over the 90/10 split, I&#8217;d like to point out that a 10% profit isn&#8217;t always a bad thing. Especially if they pioneer things like mobile content distribution for you. Usually that sorta stuff takes at least an initial 50% and gives it right to the phone provider.<br />
That leaves 40% to platinum studios and 10% to the creator, which isn&#8217;t that horrible, considering the expenses that building this empire will require.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s funny that DJ is actually saying how happy he is with his arrangement, and Scott Kurtz is so offender by that idea. That somebody could succeed by an avenue he didn&#8217;t pursue. Scott is so angry by this is blows my mind. DJ Happy? It MUST be a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12935</link>
		<author>Dan</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12935</guid>
		<description>I wasn't talking about DJ. Personally I think his situation null and void of the conversation over wether or not Drunk Duck is going to be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t talking about DJ. Personally I think his situation null and void of the conversation over wether or not Drunk Duck is going to be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: splendidisolatn</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12916</link>
		<author>splendidisolatn</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12916</guid>
		<description>I think it benefits all webcomics because of the inherant interconnectivity of the innerweb.  I started out back somewhere around 99-00 reading UF.  From that, I found out about PA, from there X, Y, and Z.  This is a strange new medium and you're right -- only time will tell.  However, people need to stop thinking in terms of market share.  There's no feasable limit (within reason) to the number of webcomics someone can subscribe to.  It costs me no more money (other than the value of my time) to read just Yirmumah as opposed to Yirmumah and 30 or 300 other webcomics.  I click on an Adsense here and there, they get their money, I get my laugh or whatnot for the day.  It's not a situation where I have $20 a month to spend on comics and I have to decide between Superman/Batman/X-Men/blah blah.  

You know, you mention Gabe from PA in your post.  You don't mention that they DID "sell out" a few years ago.  It's a point they can laugh at now, and it's usually glossed over when referring to them as the gold standard for how to turn webcomics into $$$, but it happened.  DJ is playing with house money here.  HBN was a shot in the dark to begin with.  It cost him no more than a sketch or two and a flight out to San Diego.  For an investment of one or two thousand dollars, he has the opportunity to make a fantastic return.  In turn, Yirmumah gets exposure and new eyes, the artists who spend their money to advertise here get more eyes, etc etc.  Even if it's 10% of the people who read HBN, DJ still pays the bills, it's a larger audience from the get-go, and all this for a relatively small investment of time and effort.  In terms of 'risk vs. reward', how is this anything but a good investment of his time and creativity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it benefits all webcomics because of the inherant interconnectivity of the innerweb.  I started out back somewhere around 99-00 reading UF.  From that, I found out about PA, from there X, Y, and Z.  This is a strange new medium and you&#8217;re right &#8212; only time will tell.  However, people need to stop thinking in terms of market share.  There&#8217;s no feasable limit (within reason) to the number of webcomics someone can subscribe to.  It costs me no more money (other than the value of my time) to read just Yirmumah as opposed to Yirmumah and 30 or 300 other webcomics.  I click on an Adsense here and there, they get their money, I get my laugh or whatnot for the day.  It&#8217;s not a situation where I have $20 a month to spend on comics and I have to decide between Superman/Batman/X-Men/blah blah.  </p>
<p>You know, you mention Gabe from PA in your post.  You don&#8217;t mention that they DID &#8220;sell out&#8221; a few years ago.  It&#8217;s a point they can laugh at now, and it&#8217;s usually glossed over when referring to them as the gold standard for how to turn webcomics into $$$, but it happened.  DJ is playing with house money here.  HBN was a shot in the dark to begin with.  It cost him no more than a sketch or two and a flight out to San Diego.  For an investment of one or two thousand dollars, he has the opportunity to make a fantastic return.  In turn, Yirmumah gets exposure and new eyes, the artists who spend their money to advertise here get more eyes, etc etc.  Even if it&#8217;s 10% of the people who read HBN, DJ still pays the bills, it&#8217;s a larger audience from the get-go, and all this for a relatively small investment of time and effort.  In terms of &#8216;risk vs. reward&#8217;, how is this anything but a good investment of his time and creativity?</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12913</link>
		<author>DJ</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yirmumah.net/big-news/#comment-12913</guid>
		<description>The success of comics like PvP and Penny Arcade are niche driven, and a shot in the dark. I mean, you've had several comics try to copy their models to moderate success, but just like in other "industries" you'll only have a few at the top of that game.

It seems to me there are worlds colliding here-- maybe I can sum it all up later how I feel on it. There is no cookie cutter way to make a SYSTEM work--- no one is going to come in and roll the red carpet out and hand you a check at the end in webcomicdom.

Comics are Comics. That's the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The success of comics like PvP and Penny Arcade are niche driven, and a shot in the dark. I mean, you&#8217;ve had several comics try to copy their models to moderate success, but just like in other &#8220;industries&#8221; you&#8217;ll only have a few at the top of that game.</p>
<p>It seems to me there are worlds colliding here&#8211; maybe I can sum it all up later how I feel on it. There is no cookie cutter way to make a SYSTEM work&#8212; no one is going to come in and roll the red carpet out and hand you a check at the end in webcomicdom.</p>
<p>Comics are Comics. That&#8217;s the point.</p>
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